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Too much ski

My skis feel like too much

A ski feels like too much when it is hard to start a turn but your legs are fine. In the model the first suspect is a ski that will not release, from a stiff or flat tail. A stance that is too far forward is second, and the boot is third.

What it looks like in the model

heel · · · ball of footforce lineshin 16°

glutes working · lower back working

Your stance10% forward

Muscle load

  • Quadsfront of thigh, hold the knee bend32%
  • Glutes & hamstringsback of hip and thigh40%
  • Shin muscleslift the toes when you're back0%
  • Calvespush the shin into the tongue23%

Easy, can hold all dayWorkingBurningTick: average through the turn

Tail at the finish

6%

The fix: 2%

Tip at the finish

11%

The fix: 6%

Showing: Your stance. 10% forward.

Shown for the default skier: 92 kg on the K2 Mindbender 89 Ti at the finish of the turn, 3 mm of boot play, groomed snow.

What is happening

Skiers say a ski is too much when it is hard to turn, takes effort at every turn, or only works when they go fast. They describe it as a ski that wants more than they have to give.

It is easy to blame yourself. The honest answer is that sometimes it is a ski that is stiffer, longer or more demanding than you need, and sometimes it is how you are standing on it. A stiff ski and a long ski feel alike, which is why the two are so often mixed up.

What it feels like

  • It is hard to start the turn. You have to force it.
  • Your legs are fine. You are not tired, but the ski does not turn when you ask.
  • It performs at high speed and goes dead at low speed.
  • The tails hold on and will not let go at the end of the turn.

Before you blame the ski

Check three things. - Your boots. A ski can not do what your boot does not pass on. Look at fit and flex first. - The tune. A ski with a sharp factory tune can feel hooky and demanding. A shop can fix it in minutes. - Your stance. Back-seat skiing also makes a ski hard to turn. If your quads burn, it is probably stance. If your quads are fine, it is more likely the ski.

How to read the figure

The figure compares your current ski with a ski that has a softer, more rockered tail. The stance for both is centred. If the second ski feels easier to turn on the hill, the model says you were fighting the ski.

What to try

  • Demo a softer or shorter ski before you sell the one you have.
  • Ask a shop to detune the tips and tails.
  • Try a mount point a little further forward if the maker allows it.
  • Make your turns more deliberate at the end: shorten the outside leg early.

The skier side

Some skis are built for fast, strong skiers on firm snow. If the ski is a rocket and you want a ski for cruising, the right fix is a different ski. There is no shame in that.

A caution on buying

If you are shopping, test the ski before you buy. The wrong ski costs more than the demo does.

Other likely causes

The model’s first match for this symptom is the ski won't release (58% of the evidence). Here is what else it ranks, and how to tell each one apart.

You're too far forward

19%

Too much weight on the shovels. The tips grab and the tails go light.

How to tell: The tips grab and the tails feel light. You feel it in your calves rather than your quads.

Model check: In the model, that stance leaves just 1% of the load on the tail at the finish, so the tail has little to hold with.

Your boots are letting you move

12%

Play in the boot means your input arrives late and partly lost, so you end up chasing your balance, usually backwards.

How to tell: Your heel lifts or the boot feels loose, and the ski feels slow to respond.

Model check: With 8 mm of play the ski loses 44% of your fore/aft movement and gets it 368 ms late.

What to try, in this order

  1. Cue. A ski with a softer or slightly rockered tail, a shorter length, or more deliberate release (shorten the outside leg early).
  2. Drill. Film one run from the side and compare it with the figure above. A phone propped in the snow is enough.
  3. Boot check. Check fit and flex before you blame the ski. A boot that is too stiff or too loose changes how any ski feels.
  4. Gear. Ask a shop to detune the tips and tails and check the base bevel. Check the length against your weight.

When it’s not technique

If the boot and tune are right and you are centred, the ski may simply be more than you want. Compare a softer or shorter ski.

Compare skis

Ski patrol says

Fighting a ski all day is tiring. If you get lasting muscle or joint pain, see a physio.

Pain or injury? This tool is for how skiing feels, not medical advice. See a physio.

Not medical advice. Edge Lab describes how skiing feels and why.

Check your own setup

The model above uses a default skier. Add your weight, skis and boots and see your own numbers.

Check your own setup