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Ski too soft

My ski feels too soft for my weight

A ski feels too soft when it bends more than your weight and speed can stand, so it chatters and feels nervous. The model ranks that first for chatter, with a stance too far forward second. A longer or stiffer ski is the usual fix.

What it looks like in the model

heel · · · ball of footforce lineshin 16°

glutes working · lower back working

Your stanceyour setup as it is

Muscle load

  • Quadsfront of thigh, hold the knee bend31%
  • Glutes & hamstringsback of hip and thigh41%
  • Shin muscleslift the toes when you're back0%
  • Calvespush the shin into the tongue26%

Low, can hold all dayMidHighPeakTick: average through the turn

Tail at the finish

5%

The fix: 8%

Tip at the finish

12%

The fix: 16%

Showing: Your stance. your setup as it is.

Shown for the default skier: 92 kg on the K2 Mindbender 89 Ti at the finish of the turn, 3 mm of boot play, groomed snow.

What is happening

A ski has a flex. Under your weight it bends, and a good match bends the right amount. If it is too soft for you, it bends too far and too easily, and the edge loses its grip.

This is a heavier skier's complaint most of the time. A light ski that suits a lighter friend flexes much further under 100 kg, and the same ski can feel fine at 70 kg. It is also true of a skier who skis fast. Speed adds load, and a ski that is fine at a cruise can be soft when you push.

What it feels like

  • Chatter or flutter at speed, worse on firm snow.
  • A nervous, twitchy ski that seems to wander.
  • The tail washing out when you add pressure.
  • A ski that feels fine when you ski gently, and not when you do not.

What it is not

A ski that feels soft can be a ski that is too short, a ski with a worn tune, or you standing too far forward. The model checks the stance case as well. Check these before you replace the ski.

What the model shows

The figure compares your ski with a stiffer one under the same skier. The difference in the bars is small, since the model is showing load and not shake, but it shows which way the load moves.

What to try

  • Check the maker's weight range for your length. If you are at the top, the ski is a poor match.
  • Ask a shop for a fresh tune and a check of the base.
  • Demo a longer or stiffer ski of the same type, or one with metal in the layup.
  • Be honest about how you ski. If you ski fast on firm snow, you need more ski than the average buyer.

Buying

If you are buying, use your weight and the snow you ski most. A ski that is good for a 70 kg skier is not good for a 100 kg skier of the same ability. Use the ski pages on this site, where the model shows how each ski flexes at your weight.

The skier side

Most skiers will tell you a ski is too soft before they have checked their stance. If you are sitting back, the tail is loaded, and a good ski will feel soft too. Film a run first.

Other likely causes

The model’s first match for this symptom is the ski is underpowered for you (46% of the evidence). Here is what else it ranks, and how to tell each one apart.

You're too far forward

39%

Too much weight on the shovels. The tips grab and the tails go light.

How to tell: The tips grab and the tail feels light. Your calves burn. A soft ski feels nervous whatever your stance.

Model check: In the model, that stance leaves just 1% of the load on the tail at the finish, so the tail has little to hold with.

The edge is at its grip limit

15%

The ski, its tune, or the snow can't hold the angle you're asking for.

How to tell: It only happens on hard or icy snow. On soft snow the same ski feels fine.

Model check: On ice at 40°, 2 of 3 edge zones on the K2 Mindbender 89 Ti slide in the model.

What to try, in this order

  1. Cue. A longer or stiffer ski, or one with metal in it.
  2. Drill. Film one run from the side and compare it with the figure above. A phone propped in the snow is enough. Watch: FIS vs REGULAR SKIS | What's the Difference?
  3. Boot check. Check heel hold and fit. A loose boot can make a good ski feel soft.
  4. Gear. Check the maker’s weight range for your length, get a fresh tune, and demo a stiffer ski.

When it’s not technique

If your stance is good and the tune is fresh, the ski is the limit. Compare a stiffer or longer ski against yours.

Compare skis

Ski patrol says

A ski that is too soft makes you work harder to hold an edge. If you get lasting pain, see a physio.

Pain or injury? This tool is for how skiing feels, not medical advice. See a physio.

Not medical advice. Edge Lab describes how skiing feels and why.

Check your own setup

The model above uses a default skier. Add your weight, skis and boots and see your own numbers.

Check your own setup